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hi. the "news nation" is following developing news out of nevada. new information this hour after at least seven u.s. marines are killed. seven others injured in an explosion during a training exercise. it happened late last night at the army's hawthorne depot. an ammunitions storage facility in western nevada. >> we don't know exactly what happened. it was a violent explosion. we know that. my thoughts are with those who are injured and of course, the families of those who lost loved ones. and marines all over the world are now focusing on the loss of
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their fellow marines. >> straight to nbc news, pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski joins us live. >> there's a rigorous investigation underway. u.s. marine officials and other military officials are at this right now at what appears to be a tragic accident. we know a group of marines were conducting nighttime live fire exercises at the hawthorne army depot in western nevada. and this group happened to be using mortars. they were exercising with live mortars. and at one point, it appears that while the marines were loading it and just seconds before this 60 millimeter mortar shell left the firing tube, it apparently exploded in the tube. there are other reports that it may have exploded before or during the loading of that
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mortar shell. why? nobody knows for sure just yet. that's under investigation. as you said, significance marines were killed and the number of injured has been bumped up to eight but none of those injuries appears to be life threatening. these marines were from the second marine division out of camp lejeune here on the east coast. out there at twentynine palms and the hawthorne army depot for their training. now, those eight that are hospitalized, one has already left the hospital. the seven others don't appear to have life threatening injuries. this is under thorough investigation. the marine corps has yet to figure out exactly what caused what appears to be a very tragic accident. richard? >> jim miklaszewski at the pentagon. thank you. we'll continue reports to follow that for you. the "news nation" is also following the ten-year anniversary of the shock and awe campaign that ushered in the war on iraq. a war that toppled saddam hussein but at a heavy price.
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in baghdad, the anniversary was marked by a wave of car bombings that killed at least 56 people and wounded 200. and here in the united states, a sobering look. the high cost in blood and treasure of the war that began on this very day one decade ago. almost 4500 u.s. troops killed and more than 32,000 wounded. and at least 134,000 iraqi civilians died in that conflict. the cost of war projected at brown university puts the current cost of the iraq war at $1.7 trillion. and estimates that total expenses will soar to $6 trillion over the next 40 years. now the lasting effect of the conflict and the misleading information that was used to justify it is still being felt today in washington. as our first read team points out, the iraq war is the most consequential political event of the past ten years, and probably beyond. joining me now, nbc news foreign
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correspondent. we have michael smerconish, military analyst general barry mccaffrey, and the first iraq war veteran to serve in congress. let's start with you here, general. as we look at what's happening at the moment, these attacks in shiite districts largely believed to be linked to suny militants, linked to al qaeda. what would you say the magazine any to do of the situation is? >> compared to the mayhem that was going on during the fighting for fallujah, it is relatively moderate. what we have going on in iraq now is the shia plurality, dominating a government and trying to dominate the kurds and the sunnis. i think it is more a continuing ethnic struggle where iraq's neighbors wish them no good. the iranians supporting the shia, the sunni arabs supporting
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anb anbar provinces. >> the "washington post" describeding him as neither the failed state, nor the model democracy some had wanted. what is the state of the government right now from your perspective there? >> reporter: well, there is a few different tests. on one hand, it is a country that hasn't completely grappled with democracy. it hasn't struggled in materials of creating more political freedom but there is no doubt democracy has not taken route across the country. the central government still struggles in the northern part of the country under kurdish control. it is a loose amalf. the government is rife with political corruption. there is indeed as we just heard, sectarian tension among political parties. still a lot of missing people in
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iraq. so by some estimates, although there is more political freedom and freedom of expression, as a government, as a functioning society, it is hard to say that it is better off today than where it was ten years ago from a democratic perspective. there is still a lot of accountability according to different organizations that say the iraqi government has failed to live up to the expectations of the people and to a fully functioning democracy. >> someone who knows iraq well who serves there, we have congressman patrick murphy from pennsylvania with us today. and you were the first, as we said, iraq war vet to be elected to congress. when you hear about these casualties today on the ten-year anniversary, what is your reaction? do you believe that it needs to be more part of the discourse there in the beltway? >> without a doubt. it is not part of the discourse because most folks don't have skin in the game. less than 1% of americans have served in iraq or afghanistan. it goes to your point. we should be talking about this. it is the defining political issue of the last ten years.
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and it is just a colossal, strategic failure of the bush administration to know that we had almost 4,500 of america's best and brightest killed in action, over 32,000 wounded in action, and over 100,000 iraqis dead for an unnecessary war. and a war that should basically never have happened and also a war that we put our troops into harm's way, basically over a religious civil war without the amount of troops that the military generals asked for. >> what do you remember when you see this piece of news that we're reporting today? what do you remember back to the time when you were serving? >> i served in south central baghdad. it was a sunni and shia neighborhood. >> just the case today, according to what we understand now. >> exactly. and i'm still haunted by the fact that mean the of the guys i served with never made it home. to know that folks who are responsible have never been held accountable. whether that's public perception or otherwise is pretty
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disheartening. >> who needs to be held accountable? >> i think the architects of the war. addiction cheney, paul wolf wits, none of those gentlemen served in their generations in vietnam. but they were really quick to send my generation into a religious civil war that had nothing to do with 9/11 and had no weapons of mass destruction. >> i want to bring you into this. >> their families, when they hear about today's news, but yet this other side where it is almost untalked about in the beltway. why have most forgotten? >> i think there's a tendency for people to avoid the subject. it then raises the question, if it was a police take to go into iraq and i believe that it was, in retrospect given the absence of weapons of mass destruction, then it begets the question, did those 4,500 or so die in vain?
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that's a hard question. people don't want to answer that. i'm surprised by the polling data today, that says that roughly 38% of americans still think it was the wise move to go in when you break that down by rs and ds, roughly 60% of republicans who still believe that it was necessary to go into iraq. for what reason? i don't know. given the way that it all turned out and the lack of weapons of mass destruction. >> how would you discuss what mike just brought up at the top of his answer there? the question of whether those who lost their lives lost it in vain or not? and of course, many of the vets' families, as well as those who survived the iraq war, are so keen on this very question. >> well, first, i think we ought to underscore whether you believe it was the right war or the wrong war, it was executed badly. and i'm sorry he didn't also mention secretary rumsfeld. we went into iraq with 1 1/2 army divisions and one marine division 434,000 iraqi military
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people. then we told them to go home and we run the tactical campaign. they took their guns and we turned off their money. we had an occupation government. we didn't guard their infrastructure or these giant ammo dumps and we ended up fighting a nine-year downer insurgency in iraq. so the execution of the execution was deeply flawed. >> as the general was just describing, the situation as it developed over the last ten years. over 130,000 civilian deaths. how are iraqis today? ten years back as we americans here in the united states are back. >> reporter: it is a country that is extremely fractured. when you look at some of the socioeconomic indicators, there definitely have been some improvements. mostly on the financial or economic side. income levels have gone up. there is more economic opportunity to some extent. by far and lark, the overall condition of the country in terms of its functionality is
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still very much in question. there remains 16,000 people missing as we were saying. the political society itself remains extremely fractured. there is no trust among the major political parties. there is really not a functioning government. life there for ordinary people is a daily struggle. more than 60 people were killed today alone. there is still a very present security threat or a security vacuum, if you will. so you can't say definitively that iraq from the perspective of ordinary iraqis is actually any better for them. there are people who are nostalgic. not necessarily for the regime of the baathist party. but there wasn't soaring crime rates like we are seeing now. the humanitarian conditions are also very much different than what they were on the onset of this war ten years ago. >> you know, congressman, the iraq war has defined a decade of politics. as we look back, this is what many that are looking back over the past decade and what it has meant to us. you got in on the wave of 2006.
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you were against the iraq war. many democrats did benefit from that. those who decided say this is not the right thing to do. talk about what this has meant over the last decade. what it will mean for 2014 and 2016. >> well, two things. one i think clearly, we learn as a country from the vietnam war to separate the war from the warrior. so every time we, even though i was against the war accident i made it very clear that the troops who served there deserve our thanks. and the guys i served with were heroes. it goes to the credibility of the republican party, specifically, the bush administration, including donald rumsfeld. general mccaffrey was right. these gentlemen were the architects of the war and they sold it to the american public when our own intelligence agencies were saying, time-out. this isn't proper. this isn't the right intelligence. and they still moved ahead. and it was an unnecessary war. it was wrong and it completely
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took our eye off the war where it should have been, that was al qaeda and afghanistan. >> michael, sum this up for us. how has this changed a generation of americans who was known in iraq for ten years. >> i think what it has done is made many people circumspect about policing the world. i think it has made many people recognize that we don't serve our best interests or the interests of those we're trying to help when our first response is to open a base somewhere or to launch a military invasion. i think in a word, restraint is the lesson that we take away from what has gone on. >> i thank you all for your counsel today. a ten-year anniversary of the iraq war. michael smerconish, thank you very much. right here in studio, congressman patrick murphy. thank you all four for discussing this with us today. for more on the ten-year anniversary of the start of the iraq war, be sure to watch the
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documentary, hubris, selling the iraq war. it airs at 9:00 eastern on msnbc. coming up, president obama takes off on his first trip to israel as commander-in-chief. our first read team says it is a reminder of one of the big failures of his first term, moving toward middle east peace. can the president accomplish that goal? we'll talk to the form he state department official. plus -- >> if you wish to work, if you wish to work and live in america, we will find a place for you. >> tea party senator rand paul comes out in favor of immigration reform. whether he is really working on a path to citizenship remains unclear. join us on twitter. you can find us@newsnation. i'm a conservative investor.
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right now president obama is preparing for his first trip to israel as president and the first trip since the arab spring. the first leg of this four-day trip begins in just hours. air force one will depart from joint base andrews, headed to tel aviv, israel. president obama will meet israeli president shimon peres and benjamin netanyahu. then in jerusalem, president obama will hold separate meetings with netanyahu and peres. the form he residence already hoisting a u.s. flag and even rolled out a red carpet for the president. while in jerusalem, mr. obama will also view the dead sea scrolls and visit an official holocaust memorial. the center piece of this trip
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will be a speech to israeli college and university students. the president will receive a medal of distinction. the trip also includes a trip to the west bank with a stop in ramallah. he will meet with mr. abbas. he will also visit the church of the nativity in bethlehem. then the president will travel to jordan and meet with king abdullah. joining us to talk about his trip, p.j. crowley and msnbc contributor, good to see both of you this afternoon. >> nice to see you. >> p.j., let's start with you. this is opposite of his 2009 trip. this is what some have called a double kiss to the israelis and palestinians at the same time. a lot of analysis and scrutiny has been devoted to the relationship between president obama and benjamin netanyahu. just in the past 24 hours, in fact, here's what the israeli embassy in d.c. released online.
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>> we welcome president obama to israel. to express our appreciation for what he has done for us. >> the bond between the united states and israel are unbreakable. and the commitment of the united states to the security of israel is iron clad. ♪ thank you for being a friend ♪ travel down the road and back again ♪ ♪ your heart is true ♪ thank you for being a friend ♪ >> so p.j., embassy of israel, you saw it there. some say it has a bit of a jib jab take to it. you can certainly get a tone of what the embassy of israel is trying to get across. what is a tone you expect that
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these two leaders want to get across to the world during this trip? >> well, i think there has been too much focus on the admitted tension in the relationship between the prime minister and the president. i think one of his objectives is be only to establish a mode us which operandi. they'll be serving two to four years. it is about reaslurring the israeli people that there is this significant bond and it is an everlasting bond between the united states and israel. obama's approval ratings in israel, around 10%. obviously, they don't know him as well as they probably need to. but notwithstanding the personal dynamic, this is really also about very significant strategic issues. i think in order of priority, i would put syria first, iran, second, middle east peace process third.
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>> not iran first, huh? >> all of them will have a very significant discussion behind closed doors. >> so as we look at the map here in front of us, of israel, and the president spending some 48 hours in this area, politico described this as more symbolism over substance. you saw the video there. what's your sense of what they will get done? should we have low expectations? >> i think we should have no expectations. it was clear that netanyahu was elected on a platform. no peace deals. his major issue was iran. over other iran he will back off. the president said clearly they will not be ready, the iranians for a nuclear bomb. they might be ready in a year or so. even the israeli security apparatus are pushing back netanyahu on this issue saying even if we go and war against iran, we will never destroy totally all the nuclear facilities because they are in
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different places. it is impossible to destroy them and they are so underground that are protected. >> what does he need to do to satisfy the palestinians? >> a lot. he needs, i think president obama said and gave a speech in cairo in 2009 when he said the american people will not turn their back to the aspiration of the palestinian for a better life, dignity, a home of their own. and their suffering is intolerable. and he with walked away somehow from the speech domestically, remember when he talked about the two-state solution he was hammered by the jewish, special when i the israeli lobby and all kinds of groups. then he had to back off. the israeli prime minister himself put his finger in his face and publicly insulted him more than once. when joe biden visited israel the last time, the only condition that the administration put to words, the negotiation and eventually going back to the peace negotiation was to freeze the settlement.
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to freeze all the illegal settlements. the settlements in the west bank. the israelis announced when biden arrived that they would build another 1,500 settlements. >> so as rula brought up there, not only the figurative pointing of the finger, the president has the opportunity to make up what some call missteps. others call mistakes. one of those situations which brought up some questions in israel was his 2009 trip where he did stop in cairo. and then skipped over israel and went straight to germany. was that seen as a snub? >> hang on a second. he went to germany and went to buchenwald to talk about the holocaust. look, 2009 cairo speech fulfilled a very significant campaign pledge by the president to have a new beginning and an earnest dialogue with the people of the islamic world. obama like president obama did not go to israel until the second term.
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i agree that these are now book ends, having gone to cairo in 2009. he is coming to israel in 2013. but in terms of what he'll try to get done there, i think in addition to what she just said, you have a fundamental lack of trust between president abbas, prime minister netanyahu. the president will have to assess what is actually possible with these two players as a fundamental part of this trip. but i mentioned the importance of syria. we kind of saying, oh, by 28, he's going to jordan. but jordan is hosting hundreds of thousands of syrian refugees. and is bearing a very significant burden as we assess the tragedy and the mayhem going on in syria. so i think a significant, the most urgent aspect is from an israeli point of view, from a jordanian point of view, how do they perceive the situation going on in syria? part of the ongoing recessment of what the united states can do
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to steer syria toward a post assad transition. >> back to israelis and their concerns about president obama, does the president need to simply establish the roots, the ancient jewish claim to this strip of land here? some in israel saying we're not so sure. >> well, certainly. i think that the president has not reached out to the israeli people in ways perhaps his predecessors have. and i think this is an opportunity to kind of reestablish the kind of rapport the israeli people traditionally want to have and need to have with an american president that they have confidence that he has israel's back. the fact is that there has been very significant and deep cooperation institutionally between the united states and israel. probably a more stable, successful relationship than ever before. but there is this lack of rapport between obama and the
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israeli people. and he'll do his best to reach out. one of the reasons he is speaking to college students and not at the knesset is to go beyond the government and try to establish a much more significant conversation with the israeli people. >> i wish we had more time. we have to go. of course, we'll be following the president's trip all throughout the coming days as he is there in the united states. thank you for your time. still ahead, conservatives pushing back on the party's plan. less emphasis on caucuses. we'll talk to nbc news senior political editor mark murray. first in today's money minute, a look at how wall street is performing. down about a quarter of a percent. we've got an hour to go. ♪ [ construction sounds ] ♪ [ watch ticking ]
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our first read team reports the post 2012 election report that the republican national committee released yesterday, is getting pushback on two different fronts. the first, potential 2016 candidates lou are upset about the report's recommendations to reduce the number of debates and to deemphasize the caucus contests. the second front of criticism, republicans who aren't happy with the report's endorsement of comprehensive immigration reform. joining us now, senior political editor mark murray. always good to see you. >> good to see you. >> we're going to talk more about the immigration part in a few minutes. i want to focus on that first front that has potential 2016 gop presidential candidates. at least at the moment upset. potential hopeful, rand paul and rick santorum, reportedly pretty angry. reacting angrily to this. what are their concerns? >> a couple of reasons. one, one of the recommendations that the rnc made is to shorten
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the number of debates. to have fewer presidential debates during the primary season. the idea was that there are way too many debates in 2012 and that ended up hurting the republican party. the reason you would end up having some potential insurgent candidates running in 2016, rand paul, rick santorum, they need these debates to shine, to get fundraising torborg get noticed as we saw during the 2012 election. that's one of the reasons they're upset. >> i was doing the count. we were about this when it first came out. how many times the words were used. latino was 100 time in there. african-americans, 50 times. women, 73, asian-americans, 23, even fewer when it come to getting lgbt in terms of the number of time those words were used. if they do follow through with the recommendations, which it seems to encompass these areas, who will benefit from it? >> well, they are trying to make outreach. there has been criticism that the republican, the rnc report
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does nothing to do really about policies outside of pushing for comprehensive immigration reform. it is all about outreach, not policy. and often policy is what drives voters more often than not. but one of the real interesting things, the obama campaign in 2012 made the bet that look, we are going to try to be able to win over female voters. we'll try to win over latino voters. they ended up having their own little groupings. the republicans and the romney campaign, look, we need to talk about the economy. have a one mention to all voters. well, it turns out the obama way was the successful approach in the 2012 election. >> mark murray, thank you so much. we'll see whether it happens. how the rubber hits the road. >> thank you. coming up, a crowded race in south carolina for the open congressional seat there. there is no shortage. we'll get an update. [ male announcer ] i've seen incredible things.
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endorsed a path to citizenship for immigrants. however he never used the word citizenship. >> i think the conversation needs to start by acknowledging that we aren't going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants. if you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in america, then we will find a place for you. >> meanwhile, democratic senator barbara boxer of california called for special attention to be paid to the plight of female undocumented immigrants. >> despite making up more than half the immigrant population, too many immigrant women live in the shadows, deeply in the shadows. they work hard and they contribute so much to our nation. but they often live with their families in poverty. because of their undocumented
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status, many face exploitation and abuse. >> joining me live, "washington post" national political reporter nia-malika henderson. and columnist jonathan altar. what do you make of him not using explicitly, rand paul, the word citizenship? is he for it or just green card and visas? >> it's hard to know at this point. you think if you think about marco rubio and how he went before the conservative audience and did not even mention immigration reform. he knows that this will be a hard sell to folks in his party. so that's why he is tiptoeing very generally around this issue. as you said, he didn't specifically say citizenship. there is a debate within the conservative movement, within the republican party about whether or not they should just do green cards or they should
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follow the senate's plan which suggests the path way to citizenship based on, i guess, it is 13 years or so. that's what he is facing. that's what all of these senators, marco rubio folks in the house will have to think about. what their base wants to do in terms of immigration reform. >> that is the crux of the debate. that 13 years and how to divide it to get to citizenship. chuck schumer of new york who is part of bipartisan group of eight senators working on immigration. he said there is a lot of common ground. and libertarians supporting legal status but unlike the libertarian platforms, not for open borders. do you think what he said today, there will be a halo effect? some tea partiers that follow him along? >> very possibly. he crossed kind of a rubicon even though he didn't mention as many specifics of comprehensive immigration reform would have
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liked. he made it clear that he is for a path to citizenship that you should stay if you work hard. this goes along with sean hannity converting on the issue. grover norquist for many years has been for immigration reform. and a number of other prominent conservatives. so there is now some division within conservative ranks, and the good news for the supporters of comprehensive immigration reform is that the opponents don't really have a leader now. it is not like there is a lou dobbs out there or chris from kansas who has been very outspoken on this. he doesn't hold major office. he is attorney general of kansas. not a governor or a senator. jan brewer doesn't really have national stature to lead a movement. so there is almost an open door now which is an immigration term for those who want to move forward. >> talking about open doors, that means you have more potential points of criticism.
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one may have come yesterday from jeff sessions from the senate judiciary committee. and nia-malika, the executive dregor there, how women might be hurt if we strictly look at skill-based evaluations of who to bring over into the country versus those who come from families or extended families. which is about two-thirds of illegal immigration today. how might this hurt women disproportionately? >> well, it could hurt women if you do look at at the earning potential of folks. and i think this is what is going to be part of this debate. who gets in, who isn't allowed to get in. do people with higher skills get more preferential treatment than people with lower wage skills? i do think one of the things that's different about this debate in addition to the fact that anti-immigration forces don't have a real leader. it is also, evangelicals are no very pro immigration. they are talk to have conservatives about how this is something that people of faith
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should back. one of the things you've seen among evangelicals is that there has been an influx of latinos into those church pews. they've had a real change of heart in terms of immigration and are leaning on a lot of conservatives to back immigration reform. >> jonathan alter, i owe you one next time we go. thank you so much. voters are going to the polls today in a special primary election in south carolina. and this is filled with drama. it is mainly because former governor mark south africanford to make a comeback after admitting to an extra-marital affair in 2009. now he is facing 15 other republicans, 15 in a race for the gop nomination for the congressional seat he held before becoming governor. kelly o'donnell joins us live from charleston, south carolina. the former governor is considered to be the front-runner in the republican
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race. you know, he needs 50% of the vote to avoid a run-off here. he has all that bag ang. >> reporter: well, it's hard to know what will happen with the turnout. because it is a special election and there hasn't been a lot of polling done. you're right. people are all saying here that they expect that sanford could come out on top. if he doesn't had that 50%, there could be a run-off between the top two republicans. when you talk about a field this large, it is unusual and it shows how much people in south carolina want to be involved in politics. this is one of those states that has interesting drama. i've spent some time on the trail with governor sanford. he talked about the importance of trying to get back on the horse, if you will. he had sort of dropped out of life after he left the governor's mansion and had that very public kind of headline making scandal with his affair and the divorce that followed. took time out and now says he is
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trying to rebuild. whether he wins or not, he felt it was importance to get back in the game. he said he was very surprised at the warm reception he has received as he's been meeting and greeting. we certainly saw that following him along. but there are so many other candidates. many who hold local offices and have certainly plenty to offer as well. on the democratic side, there has been a lot of interest in elizabeth colbert bush whose brother is stephen colbert. and she's had a lot of support in democratic circles. >> an exciting chapter of late. kelly o'donnell, thank you so much. a big win today for anyone interested in reselling books, music or any other copy written material. the supreme court decision that just came down. and vice president joe biden, one of the dignitaries to attempt the installation mass of pope francis. we're live in rome. all right that's a fifth-floor problem...
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the pope frequently stopped to bless the crowd. the largest yet to see the new pope. vice president biden led the united states delegation there. representatives from 132 other countries also attended that mass. let's go to claudio lavanga. the mass was also different given what the pope has been doing lately. a little different than tradition. >> reporter: indeed, this was an unconventional mass. as unconventional as every event the pope has been presiding over the past week since he was elected. it showed once again that this pope likes to show how with small gestures that go against the vatican tradition, speak volumes and even more about the kind of papacy he wants to lead, more than the words itself that he may use in his homilies during the mass. for instance, that little tour of st. peter's square that you
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mentioned in the pope mobile. that's the first time a pope does it before the mass. before the mass, during the inauguration ceremony. and it took about 20 minutes for him to meet and greet the hundreds of thousands that came to say hello from all over the world. in them, of course, you saw him waving like popes do. even you saw him giving thumbs up. that's something you haven't seen before. certainly, not from his predecessors like pope benedict xvi. and he kissed children, one of them was crying, have been, i'm sure he was more afraid of the crowds than him. he is a very reassuring man. but the most touching moment was when he stopped the jeep once again, very unconventional. he stopped the car, got off the car. something rarely seen. and he walked to a disabled man and he blessed him and he touched him. and that was a very touching moment that shows how this was a man who wants to be, he told said it before, the pope of the
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weak, the elderly, the sick, of the people mostly in need. >> of the people. and as i noticed, the pope mobile did not have its normal guard over it that i've seen in the past, too. claudio lavanga. thank you so much. coming up, our "news nation" gut check. plus the high court hands of victory to business that's resell products made in other countries. pete williams will join us on that. [ female announcer ] they're all going in the same direction, but in very different ways. and pampers gives all of them our driest, best fitting diaper, ♪ pampers cruisers with 3-way fit. not only with up to 12 hours of protection, they adapt at the waist, legs and bottom, for all the freedom to move their way in pampers best diaper. it's time to play. no they don't. hey son.
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today the supreme court came down with a decision for people that want to sell thing that are copy right. it affects those things made and sold abroad can be resold online and at discount stores in the u.s. pete williams joins us live from washington for the very latest. pete, how did this ruling come about a? >> there's a longstanding law called the first sale doctrine.
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it says once buy something that's copy righted, a book, a cd, you can sell it. the copy right holder has no interest in your sale. this was about whether it applied to things made overseas. this affected a student who came to the u.s. he was buying textbooks here and he asked his parents to buy him the english versions made in thailand because they were a lot cheaper. they were made to be sold only in thailand. pretty soon he had a booming business making over $100,000 selling these ill ported textbooks on ebay. he got sued and he took it autumn way to the supreme court. today supreme court said that first sale applies to things made overseas as well. what that means is that you can now, or you can still sell anything that you buy that has copy righted material in it on ebay. even if it is made overseas. that would include books that are published overseas, but perhaps computers that contain software. even some kind of watches that have trademarks in them. lots of products.
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your car that you buy, your foreign car, it has probably copy righted material in it. maybe software. if this case had gone the other way, then anybody who is reselling used items. libraries loaning it out. used book stores, churches raflg things off, garage sales, flea markets, ebay, potentially anybody who sold that stuff could have been sued. today by a vote of 6-3, the supreme court said no. once you buy it, it is yours to sell. >> so smiling a bit more today. thank you so much. time for the "news nation" gut check. next week the supreme court will take up the issue of same second marriage. the justices will hear two maiming cases. they'll consider the california voter approved prop 8 which banned same sex marriages and to the federal defense of marriage act. ahead of that, a new "washington post" abc news poll shows 58% of americans now support same sex marriage. 36% are opposed. that's almost the exact opposite of attitudes ten years ago.
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